We often think of Luke 1-2 and Matthew 1-2 when we think about the Christmas story. But what about Revelation 12? Is this angle a strange, fringe way of looking at the birth of Jesus, or is a primarily lens? In this episode, Dr. Bird and I look at this less-than-familar way of reading the Christmas story. It’s an angle where the bird of a peasant-King is a battle against the socio-political powers to be, powers that are demonically influenced and stand opposed to the upside down kingdom of God on earth.

Preston is joined by his long-time friend Dr. Michael Bird. Mike is a renown biblical scholar who just finished writing a definitive introduction to the New Testament with N.T. Wright. Preston and Mike talk shop about all things related to New Testament scholarship, women’s ordination, Anglicanism, N.T. Wright, Jesus’ mission to the Gentiles, and American evangelicalism.